Unless you are, wait for it... The Mongols! Let's do this, and conquer Strayer like the Mongols conquered, well, everyone! Sam Molina 9/11/2013 14:47:22 MG #1 -Pastoral societies generally had less productive economies than agricultural societies Kathryn King 10/11/2013 02:57:06 I think that this answer can be condensed. Kathryn 10/11/2013 02:59:52 Just realized that I made a contradiction. The pastoral societies depended on the environment and used it to determine where they wanted to go. The agriculturalists depended on the environment because they couldn't harvest food without a suitable environment. Claire Metusalem 10/11/2013 04:27:07 MQ #2 Let me know if I missed anything! Bingham 10/11/2013 06:02:09 Looks thorough Claire! Notice how you could reduce this question to three answers based on themes? Economic, Political, Cultural. Kizer 11/11/2013 10:42:49 Isn't the adoption of religion from agricultural civilizations more of a product of their interaction rather that a ways of it? It sounds more like an effect than a cause. kizer 11/11/2013 10:58:46 nevermind Jackson 13/11/2013 09:17:34 Also, I think a good supporting detail for the pastoral people's dependance economically on agricultural societies is that, very often, those societies actively tried to keep the nomads out, and tried to keep trading opportunities away from them (this is way back from chapter 9, page 249) Alex R. 13/11/2013 12:03:45 I grouped if differently but used the same information. •Religions spread through interaction w/ agriculturalists Would this work? Claire Metusalem 10/11/2013 04:55:37 I have have a little trouble with MQ #3. I couldn't really come up with an elaborate answer, in fact it is just one sentence. "Did the history and society of the East African Masai people parallel that of Asian nomads?" I said no, because no large states or chiefdoms developed. I feel as if this is way too vague or incorrect. Feel free to comment! Emma Dorfman 10/11/2013 05:42:48 Claire- There is a sentence at the end of this section that I believe sums up the answer to this margin question pretty well: "Peaceful interaction and mutual dependence as well as conflict and hostility characterized the relationship of nomadic herders and settled farmers in East Africa, much as it did in Eurasia. Like the Asian nomads, the Masai people also had a complicated relationship with their agricultural neighbors wherein they simultaneously relied on and fought with these "sedentary" peoples. Victoria Cashman 10/11/2013 09:06:09
Yeah, what Emma said pretty much means that yes, they did parallel each other. -Pastoral societies in Asia and Africa both developed systems to organize society. Paris Bezanis 12/11/2013 15:01:52 I have a question about that middle assertion, dosn't Strayer say it was the Chinese who admitted outsiders into the culture as a reaction to surrounding barbarians? As in not the pastoralists, but the agriculturalists. Paris 12/11/2013 15:05:59 Also I think it's important that both societies of pastoralists were highly dependent on their agriculturalsit neighbors and traded/raided them often. LoLo Kroll 10/11/2013 05:52:24 I attempted to answer MQ #3, "In what ways did the Xiongnu, Arabs, and Turks make an impact on world history?", but I'm pretty sure I am missing some things. Please feel free to fill in what I couldn't find! Xiongnu Bingham 10/11/2013 06:03:17 Yeah...The Turks carried Islam to new regions, including northern India and Anatolia; played an increasingly important role in the heartland of an established Islamic civilization, as the Seljuk Turks became the de facto power behind the Abbasid caliphate in the Middle East; and carved important empires out of settled societies, including the Ottoman Empire. Sam Molina 10/11/2013 10:43:33 I also put, for Xiongnu, that: I'm not entirely sure if the last one answers the margin question, so any corrections are encouraged. Shayla Nidever 12/11/2013 11:19:04 Could we also add that Xiongnu played a role in the collapse of Chinese & Roman empires, and then the "subsequent" re-buildings of them? Sam Molina 13/11/2013 12:52:29 Shayla- For sure, the Xiongnu played a big role in the weakening of China. However, I'm not too sure that they played a role in the rebuilding of China. Also, I don't think that Xiongnu helped weaken or rebuild the Roman Empire. Remember that Strayer says that VARIOUS nomadic or seminomadic peoples played a role in the weakening and rebuilding of both China and Rome, not only the Xiongnu. Paris 12/11/2013 14:29:21 could you add to this that they revolutionized warfare by introducing the horse and tapping the immense potential of the animal? Emma Dorfman 10/11/2013 06:19:06 I'll take a shot at MQ #8: "How was Mongol rule in Persia different from that in China?" -Mongolian rulers in Persia imposed heavy taxes on peasants about 20 or 30 times a year while rulers in China did not. -The irrigation systems of Persia were neglected by the government and agricultural land was reduced to waste, however no such thing occurred in China. -Mongols in Persia were far more transformed by the people they conquered than China by their adoption of a Persian bureaucracy system/Persian officials. The Mongols in China, on the other hand, often used foreigners as officials. This is roughly what I have gathered so far. There's a lot of "related, not relevant" possible answers in this section, so let me know if you think any of these are irrelevant. Jessie DeArman 10/11/2013 07:17:19 I have a few others for this question that might work too, but let me know if not: -Mongol rule in Persia resulted in damage to local agriculture and peasant farmers, while Khubilai Khan in China supported local agriculture and limited grazing of Mongol animals on peasant farming grassland -In Persia, the Mongols left much of the government rule in Persian hands, while in China, the Mongols largely took over governmental affairs (this ties into your last one) -In China, Mongol rulers were eventually driven out, while Mongols were assimilated into the Persian culture -Mongols in Persia became Muslim, while those in China did not experience such widespread conversion -Mongols established their rule far more abruptly in Persia, while it took 70 years in China A lot of these might also be related rather than relevant (especially the second to last one), but hopefully they're points to consider! Chase 10/11/2013 07:10:41 #7 (2parts) - A divided China became a 'united' China under Mongol rule Part 2) In what ways were the Mongols changed by China? - Mongol khans used the traditional Confucian ritual which brought them a great deal political support Is there more to this or does this look complete? Someone let me know if there's more to this. Thanks! Chase LoLo Kroll 10/11/2013 09:40:14 I think it is also important to note Chase 10/11/2013 07:26:29 8) How was Mongol rule in Persia different from that in China? • Persian peasants were taxed heavily, forcing them from their land Claire Metusalem 10/11/2013 07:55:07 Chase- Don't forget about abrupt vs. longer conquest, the differences in the political systems, prices forcing people out of China, and the sacking in Baghdad ending the Abbasid caliphate. chase 10/11/2013 08:01:34 THANKS, CLAIRE!! I missed that! Will add it in - thank you so much! Chase 10/11/2013 07:54:18 9) What was distinctive about the Russian experience of Mongol rule? • Russia was conquered but was NOT actually occupied by Mongols (diff from China & Persia) Chase 10/11/2013 07:59:27 ^^ 9) continued....also • There was NO direct Mongol rule, so Mongols were less influenced and/or assimilated into Russian culture than in Persia & China Chase 10/11/2013 08:44:08 10) In what ways did the Mongol empire contribute to the globalization of the Eurasian world? • Enabled the spread of religions due to Mongol’s religious tolerance and their support of merchants Sam Molina 10/11/2013 10:56:31 MQ #5 •Birth of Temujin (1162)
into a family of a noble clan, father was murdered when he was ten, Temujin and family became social outcasts of the clan early in his life. Emma Fielding 11/11/2013 09:56:09 What is this font. Bingham 11/11/2013 22:49:00 You don't like the font? Shayla Nidever 12/11/2013 11:16:41 I love the font don't change it Kizer 13/11/2013 11:07:08 Comic Sans is the only true font. Emma Fielding 14/11/2013 10:03:56 It makes my brain hurt anonymous 15/11/2013 03:41:06 ur font is terrible. hope this helped. Emma Dorfman 11/11/2013 12:50:22 For the first margin question asking about differences between pastoralists and their agricultural counterparts, would it be valid to get into the specifics about women in MONGOLIAN society, or are those just supporting details?? Sam Molina 11/11/2013 15:05:45 I believe that the specifics are supporting details, since they all relate back to the main difference about women between pastoral and agricultural societies. Bingham 11/11/2013 22:50:41 Great points Emma and Sam! That's the way I need you guys to think! Claire Metusalem 12/11/2013 10:06:46 BQ #1 "Prior to the rise of the Mongols, in what ways had pastoral peoples been significant in world history?" ~ Basically, they spread Guns, Germs and Steel. Am I missing anything?
Bingham 12/11/2013 10:26:00 I love the approach Claire! Allison Elder 13/11/2013 12:54:44 Hey! I'm confused on the answer to this question above. Strayer is asking about pastoral societies before the Mongols, and I didn't catch any mention of disease/germs spreading through major warfare or expansion. Also, little confused on where steel comes into play. Sam Molina 13/11/2013 13:11:51 Well, Strayer doesn't really talk about other pastoral societies in depth, considering that this chapter is entirely on the Mongols. So this explanation comes in part from Jared Diamond's GGS: -Germs: Pastoral peoples lived in close proximity with animals all their lives. Therefore, germs were passed from animals to humans, and with that new diseases.
Over time, the pastoral people built up an immunity to these diseases. When they conquered agricultural societies, whose inhabitants had less exposure to these diseases through less interaction with animals, the new diseases devastated the agriculturalists. Well, hope this helps! Sean Moses 12/11/2013 12:11:58 Hey did the little thing in the green sidebar on the homepage of Binghamsplace that says WHAP disappear for anyone else? When I'm on the homepage I can't seem to find it and I have to get to the forum from Google instead. Shayla Nidever 12/11/2013 12:39:05 nope! Mine are still there. I would clear your cache, it's definitely not a website issue! Sam Molina 12/11/2013 12:39:25 Yep. Bingham took it off the green sidebar and put it as a subcategory under Unit Info. Just move your pointer onto Unit Info and it'll pop up to the side.
Sam Molina 12/11/2013 14:05:53 Sorry that post made no sense. WHAP is still there under Unit Info for me, no problem on Binghams Place. Mallory Miller 12/11/2013 13:03:24 Ok, so I understand how you want us to answer the question in a less detail oriented way, but I'm still a little confused. Do you want us to state the "main idea," (ex. Broke with previous tribal structure) and then back it up with the the detailed evidence? If this is the case, are you now counting the main idea + evidence as one point? P.S. I like this font. :) Shayla Nidever 12/11/2013 13:22:07 Hey Mal! (: Let me try to show you an example. Lets take the second MQ "In what ways did pastoral societies interact with their agricultural neighbors?" As Bingham said much much much earlier in the forum, this
can easily be divided into, economic, political, and cultural. But you can't simply answer the question "in political, economic, and cultural ways" obviously. You can provide broad examples for each category. I may not have made any sense, but I hope I helped?? Mallory Miller 12/11/2013 13:26:45 Yeah, thanks Shay! Bingham 12/11/2013 13:23:30 I'm saying give me the main idea (category) plus enough supporting detail so I know specifically what you are referring to. Mallory Miller 12/11/2013 13:27:39 Ok, that clears it up. Thanks Bingham! Kathryn King 12/11/2013 13:49:33 I wanted to try the categories for the first margin question and this is what I came up with. Any suggestions? In what ways did pastoral societies differ from their agricultural counterparts? Bingham 12/11/2013 22:44:42 Yes! That's exactly it, well done Kathryn! I hope everyone sees this before they answer another question, or take the test. Leina Betzer 13/11/2013 09:51:16 On the test should are we only receiving points for every main idea, or do we receive more points for more details added? Shayla Nidever 12/11/2013 14:14:34 Okay! So this was my crack at Big Picture Question #2. I know I'm missing like 10 million things, so can someone give me a nudge in the right direction? "What accounts for the often negative attitudes of settled societies towards the pastoral peoples living on their borders? Why have historians often neglected pastoral peoples' role in world history? " -Agricultural people disapproved of all the freedom given to women As for them not showing up as much in history, all I could come up with is their lack of permanent cities and societies, and their fragmented state. Am I totally off? Help appreciated :D Shayla Nidever 12/11/2013 14:17:42 OH! Also their lack of written history?? Because most of the accounts of them were by others (and usually their opinions were very biased and not good) Bingham 12/11/2013 22:50:53 Also, they didn't
live in settled houses, annoying to agriculturalists . Also there whole raiding them thing, that tends to annoy people. Bingham 13/11/2013 02:22:15 Sorry for the spelling and grammar, it was before my first cup of coffee! Shayla Nidever 13/11/2013 09:43:10 Guess who's actually studying like crazy this week! Not much activity on here, though? BPQ #5 "How would you define both the immediate and long-term significance of the Mongol in world history?" -long distance trade network I feel like I didn't quite answer the "long-term significance" part of the question. Anyone have anything to add? Kathryn King 13/11/2013 09:45:12 I was having some trouble answering the second margin question, but this is what I was able to come up with. Just wanted to check to see if anything else needs to be added before I start learning/memorizing my answers. Jackson 13/11/2013 09:54:16 Well, I see that no one's posted margin question four yet, and I don't think it's a simple yes/no question. Did the history and society of the Masai people parallel that of Asian nomads? Similarities: Differences: Casey Edeiken 13/11/2013 10:43:20 Jackson, I think based on the context of the question you have to pick a side and defend it. So I think more could be added to the Difference column (if you were to choose that particular view): Differences: Note: on the second one I'm not terribly sure if other pastoral people's inducted new members that weren't part of the ancestral bloodline. So...if anyone has any answers on that. Jackson 13/11/2013 11:26:37 Yeah, that way makes sense. Kathryn King 13/11/2013 12:42:34 Study Tip: Break the margin questions up between you and someone else and share answers. If you have something else to add, go ahead and discuss it and add it. Also, see what BP question might be asked by looking at what has the most margin questions leading up to the answer. Allison Elder 13/11/2013 13:23:36 Alright, big picture #3: In what ways did the Mongol Empire resemble other empires, and in what ways did it differ from them? Why did it last a relatively short time? -The devastation of the plauge/Black Death weakened the Mongol Empire, allowing Russia and China to break from Mongol rule Are these good comparisons? Anything I miss? Victoria Cashman 13/11/2013 14:02:06 Like the Roman Empire, the Mongol Empire became expansive because of its growing influence and not because that's what it set out to do in the first place. The Mongols also supported merchants far more than Rome and China ever did, although that statement may be a bit detailed. Victoria Cashman 13/11/2013 13:52:56 This question was answered somewhat before, but I tried to organize it better by using the categories Bingham suggested. "In what ways did the Xiongnu, Arabs, and Turks make an impact on world history?"
Political: Cultural: This may have some issues, so please point them out. The general statements placed under political about nomads in general seemed to apply because the Xiongnu, Arabs, and Turks were all nomadic peoples. Victoria Cashman 13/11/2013 14:08:39 I missed something...Thanks Kathryn!! I think this would go under political: Drake Ragan and Victoria Cashman 13/11/2013 14:55:03 "What accounts for the political and military success of the Mongols?" Military: Political: We probably missed stuff and some of this may not fit. So add corrections and stuff. Briana Sanchez 13/11/2013 23:50:59 I feel like my answers
are too broad, for example for the first margin question I wrote Drake Ragan 14/11/2013 03:20:45 I think your answers are fine, on the test just give a supporting detail and you will have the right answers! Kizer 14/11/2013 11:39:42 Mongol conquest and interaction effects in places. Ok. China Persia Russia Europe Your comment will be posted after it is approved. Leave a Reply. | AuthorBingham: This forum is for us to engage with each other publicly about where we are struggling with the coursework and to offer each other solutions for what works for us. Categories All
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